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Old 02-17-2017, 08:14 AM   #1
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Hi Guys. To me this is just a 37 engine but there seems to be a few small differences than mine. From what I see there is a small freeze plug at the back of the block just under the head and there is a step type ridge on the top of the block where the intake manifold goes. Heads appear to be 77E's [ same as mine] , intake manifold looks similar. The stamp on the block is J 13 P ? Is this just small differences and nothing to worry about ??
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Old 02-17-2017, 08:51 AM   #2
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I have one here to...always thought they where european made..england ??
The raised intake makes it a later replacement ?? have a couple with that and 78 stamped into the bellhousing.
The pros will enlighten us both
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Old 02-17-2017, 12:25 PM   #3
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Pilot motor. The crankshaft has the longer,bigger diameter snout as found in the post 39 engines, also the rod journals are double drilled because these engines run individual lock in rod bearings.[flanged on one side]. These bearings nowadaze are impossible to find, however, the conventional flanged floaters are a direct replacement.The rods are notched, obviously for the bearings, no big deal. At least, because the bigends have not had bearings spinning within them,they tend to not need honing to take oversize o/d bearings, they are still std and round.
All other parts are compatible with US stuff. I like these engines.

Edit; the oil pan is different in the starter mount area, smaller dia hole [the original equipment Lucas starter motor has a smaller spigot. Also, the two holes are cocked at different angle. The dipstick boss is cast in brass [not potmetal like yankee versions], and sweated onto the side of pan [absolutely no leaks]
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Old 02-17-2017, 04:06 PM   #4
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How lucky we are to have a guy like Brian to educate those of us who have never seen such an engine!!!
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Thanks Brian , ahh so it won't take a standard starter motor? No problem with the water pumps?
I thought this would be a good engine for me to learn on, disassemble, reassemble ...
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You are correct; it won't take std starter motor without modification, [any 35-48 oil pan will fit though], water pumps, either single or double sheave will bolt right up, Learn away, I'm always available for advice. Brian
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Old 02-18-2017, 01:59 AM   #7
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Thank you I know you love your 21 studders so I'll be in your ear, You too Lawrie!
I bought it for $600 from someone I know, it wasn't his engine just one that another mate of his had for years as spare but never used it as he restored his 36 and didn't want this block. There was an old hand written receipt stating new bearings, and rings dated 1994. Since then filled up with oil and been in dry storage, so good chance it's ok and good to learn on.
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Old 02-18-2017, 10:07 AM   #8
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It seems like all those pilot motors have the cylinder sequence and firing order cast into the head. That is the way I generally recognize them. I think they made them a lot longer at Dagenham than anywhere else. The 1937 type heads that are now available should fit them if a person wants the finned aluminum stuff.
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Old 02-18-2017, 12:22 PM   #9
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Rotorwrench, the way to identify a Pilot motor is the two plugs at back of block and the long snout on crankshaft.
Don't know about Ford USA stuff, but the Canadian 37-38 heads also had the firing order cast into them #77 6050 A
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That's good to know. The production for that last 21 stud engine in the USA was short. It only lasted a little more than a year. Ford USA never cast the cylinder information on the heads that I'm ware of. Firing order was generally only cast into the intake manifold if at all. Those first 81A 24 stud blocks lasted a lot longer here.
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The Ford Pilot (E71A) was produced at Dagenham England 47 -51. The engine was a "left over" from Ford that was produced for war service, hence the long life.

Edit : 1952 for Comercial vehicles (E71C). All had a "bizarre" barking system, juice on the front, mechanical on the rear.
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Graeme I thought that odd braking system was on the pilots too?
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Yes the Pilot had the hydro/mechanical braking system and if the mechanical brake pivot unscrewed from the diff as happened to us once then a panic stop with front brakes only was quite exciting.I think the piinion on the Lucas starter is smaller than the American versions and the ring gear is larger so very hard to mix and match taking into account the smaller sump mount as well.Cheers
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But I can mount my flywheel and use a 'standard' starter motor?/ are mount holes the same on the block...??
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Graeme I thought that odd braking system was on the pilots too?
Correct all pilots cars 47-51 and commercials (pilot pick-ups) that went to 52.

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Possibly if you want to use a "standard" starter motor you would be best to use a standard flywheel and sump as well.Cheers
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Pilot starter, flywheel and sump are to be used as a set. American (59a type) starter pan and flywheel all need to be used as a set too. All are interchangeable onto the Pilot motor (as a set). The Pilot sump can be hogged out to fit the American starter if you have the American flywheel.

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Old 02-20-2017, 06:57 PM   #18
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Sweet thanks for the info guys.. I am about to rebuild a spare starter motor so didn't want to waste it, and good to know I can use it either way.
When I am confident with the outcome of this engine I will just swap the engines over. Mmm I still have a supercharger sitting under the bench too.. possibilities..??!
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