33-34 restoration guide.

[SJCormier]

I know the Early Ford V8 Club once published a restoration guide for 33-34 passenger cars but it seems that it’s currently out of print. Does anyone know if the will be reprinting them anytime soon or where a used one might be found?

[mercman from oz]

The 1933-34 Ford Book - Restoration Manual
This is the book that you are referring to.
I believe that a revised and updated version is currently being worked on by knowledgeable people familiar with these models.

[rockfla]

An “updated” version is in the works, as Trevor mentioned. If you require a more immediate need for it, perhaps ebay would be your best option for now.

[dean333]

I have an extra. The 33 I just bought came with one, I already have one. Tim [email protected]. I’ll sell it at the club price.

[AM3334]

I saw you had a Ford book for sale. Is it still available? I would be interested in purchasing it.

[dean333]

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The OP bought it, thanks

[highbeams]

I've heard about the upcoming/updated-being- 'processed' or something similar, throughout the years; also, not-good-comments about the current one; i.e., it doesn't cover enough info .

[dean333]

What’s supposedly wrong with the current one??

[DavidG]

Accuracy and breadth of coverage are two good reasons for it not being reprinted. The replacement is not an update, but rather all new.

[Kube]

Originally Posted by DavidG

Accuracy and breadth of coverage are two good reasons for it not being reprinted. The replacement is not an update, but rather all new.

Knowing you David, the new book will be more than worth the wait.

[DavidG]

Mike,


We'll see. The continuing closure of the Benson Ford Research Center to the public is a real impediment to answering some key open questions. My fingers are crossed for that to change next year.

[Newc]

Question? Will Pickups be considered 'cars' in the books. ? Newc

[DavidG]

No, but as commercial vehicles as they were by Ford.

[dean333]

AM3334, one for sale on Early V8 Ford Club website.

[jdpaxton]

Any updates on the new 33-4 resto book?

[Karl Wescott]

Its my understanding that the EFV8 books are all authored by VOLUNTEERS. Who are giving freely of their time, knowledge, and passion.


Again, my understanding is DavidG has undertaken the lead on the 1933-34 book (and is responsible for the 1932 book), Kube is responsible for the 1940 book.


While there is an eagerness for updates, the question asked should not be "when", but rather "how can I help?", and when done, with whatever limitations, "THANK YOU".

[rockfla]

NO current information as of yet.....Again, as stated above....the key component of it all is the Benson Ford Research facility......Has been closed to public access since the beginnings of COVID......ALSO compounding the issue is the Center's amount of employee's available to assist with everyday request AND the amount of request handled on a daily basis.....IT is quite an extraordinary number/ratio.... ALSO remember that the BFRC handles everything to do with the Henry Ford Museum (its contents), The Ford Family as well as Ford Motor Company SO its not just about Ford automobile production??? AS Karl also pointed out, THE effort given to this task is beyond comprehension of most here on the barn realize....... and not only the effort BUT the time involved in getting such info, organizing it, proofing it, getting it approved, approved legally etc etc etc....IT is a herculean task. THEN add in the fact that these individuals have every day lives and all the demands that come with that....SO to work all of the above in with that is remarkable of them and their time.


My gratitude for DavidG, Kube, Don Rogers, David Gunnarson and all the other who have dedicated their time to produce such FINE works like the 1932, 1935/36, The Model 51 and 1940 restoration books for the club and the general public cannot be accurately expressed via this post. It is a great example and testimony to the greatness of those individuals dedication to the Early Ford V8 and the hobbyist that cherish them. SO the key word for the 33/34 Book is "Patience"!!!! Just my $ .02 worth

[DavidG]

Karl and Robert,

Thank you for your thoughtful comments.

In the meantime, if anyone has decent photos of some unaltered, first-version '33 components, they would be greatly appreciated for inclusion. Those are: the rear transmission mount that attaches to the center cross member (I have the rubber insert), the rear spare tire carrier bracket, and the passenger car gas tank cover.

Thanks to Trevor, I have photos of the super early skirtless-fender '33 Victoria that was in atttendance at the 2013 Grand National Meet at Lake Tahoe that show the latter two components. However, they were all assembled on the car and therefore portions of them are hidden.

[Model51]

Rockfla hit the nail on the head that by far the biggest impediment to making any substantial future progress on any of the current or future books is totally dependent upon the re-opening of the Benson Ford Research Center for public access.

It's crazy how much effort it takes to write one of these books (well) and compound that with all the differences with all the variety of vehicle models Ford produced each year with running changes. Just for the 1935-1936 truck book, it took me 5 years, more than 3,000 hours, and multiple trips to the BFRC archives. Even then, it's not perfect. In a few months I'll put out an errata that's currently at 14 pages of new information, correcting wrong information, etc., that I was able to figure out without the BFRC and I have a five page single spaced list of parts and questions to resolve whenever they re-open.

Once, or if, the BFRC re-opens, then it's "just" a matter of someone devoting lots of energy and time to put a book together or update an existing book. Feel free to raise your hand to volunteer to write a book or help someone else along the way.

[Newc]

Watch out! Mine got 'borrowed' Newc

[nelsb01]

No complaints about the effort that goes into making one of these books happen.............I would just like to add that Gene Napoliello worked hard (with help from Don Rogers) and took over when others walked away to finish the 1949-1951 Mercury Book released by the Early Ford V-8 Club in 2023.
While it too is not complete due to the BFRC being closed, it is the best that is out there.

[dean333]

Is this what you need? My 33 built July, 33.

[rockfla]

Tim
While an "A" for effort, David is in search of "EARLY" 33 pieces, seeing that the 33 was officially introduced to the public in February of 1933, your July 33 is way beyond that time frame.....I would imagine David's search falls well within the first 4000 units produced as to his need? Given that there were six major changes within these first 4000 units I suspect the pictures needed are part of one of those six changes???? AND THUS the pool of contestants being very thin on the ground.

[DavidG]

Tim,

Thanks for the photos, although as Robert notes, they are of the cast spare wheel/tire bracket, which replaced the short-lived stamped version used initially. The cast bracket and the second version of the gas tank cover shown in your photos were used throughout the rest of '33 model production and all of '34 model production.

In addition to the spare wheel/tire bracket and gas tank cover, I believe that the cross tube beneath the gas tank cover that the spare wheel/tire bracket attaches to also differed.

[deuce_roadster]

David, Bill Steil and I disassembled a 33 skirtless tudor. I clearly remember taking pictures of all the oddball parts for a V8 Times Article. The front crank saddle on the cross member, arms up through the inner fender panels, rear gas tank cover and spare mount come to mind. It was a long time ago, maybe in late 1970s or early 1980s. Bill is gone, and I will look through my pictures, but I am pessimistic that i have copies. One of my friends that got the Australian 33 phaeton body #8 from Bill's heirs seemed to have some of those skirtless parts on it like the saddle on the front crossmember but not the fenders or gas tank cover. He lives a few miles from me and I will get a picture of anything there that is relevant for you.
I think Bill wrote the article and sent it in himself. Not the 1985 article written about Bill by club member Guy Generaux. I do remember seeing the 33 article published. Pictures overexposed due to bright sun.

[rockfla]

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IF you find them would it be too much to ask to be included in getting a copy of those pictures to?? Thanks

[DavidG]

Mike,

I do recall Bill telling me of his early '33 Tudor sedan, Boy, that was a long time ago.

I've got the frame, front bumper bracket, front fender apron, crank guide, too far rearward front fender wells, and replaceable ball stud sector arm changes and only recently found photos of the unusual first-version main front fender brackets to go with the hand crank guide, so its pretty much down to those super-scare items that attached to the rear of the frame.

Most people are surprised to learn that the number of running changes during the '33 model year rivaled those of the '32 model year. By contrast, the '34 model year was a quiet one with few running changes.

Please let me if something should turn up.


Thanks.

[silverton_ford]

Originally Posted by mercman from oz

The 1933-34 Ford Book - Restoration Manual
This is the book that you are referring to.
I believe that a revised and updated version is currently being worked on by knowledgeable people familiar with these models.

I am looking for a copy of this book if anyone has an extra they would sell. Thank you, Brian

[dean333]

You’re better off getting “The Early Ford V8 as Henry built it” book. The other has some incorrect information.

[rockfla]

Originally Posted by silverton_ford

I am looking for a copy of this book if anyone has an extra they would sell. Thank you, Brian

Silverton Ford


Follow Ebay or the SWAP meet section here on the Barn......ALTHOUGH here on the barn they don't last long at all!!!!!

[deuce lover]

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[Newc]

Note: Pu's use the 'car' frame sort of and the old book has helped me a bit. They're a popular vehicle, well sold originally, and preserved through the years, as work vehicles.. Many 'car' features in them. Newc