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How To Lower The Model A The Old Fashion Way
This is an update on my earlier post about how to lower a Model A. First I have to give credit to a few people who gave me some tips and tricks on making this whole thing come together. Fordbarner’s NealinCA, kelly’s restoration and H.A.M.B’er Elrod’s post answered a lot of questions I had. Also Fordbarner JM 35 Sedan for letting me have the axle I needed.
My original goal was to lower my Model A coupe but still run mechanical brakes and use the original shocks. I had broken springs so I bought a new reverse eyed front spring from Snyder’s. That lowered the front 1 inch but I still wanted to go lower and the ride with the new springs was very stiff so I took three springs out of the ten leaf pack. The springs I took out were 2, 3 and 4 from the top of the spring pack. This lowered the front another 1 1/4”. I still wasn’t happy with the look and wanted to go lower. To do this I need to do some research and find some hard to find parts. The parts to go lower were 32-34 spring perches, 32 spindles and a 32-36 axle. Total time to find theses parts were about a month. Once I found the parts everything worked fine with new Model A kingpins and bushings from Mac’s and Model A spring shackles from Snyder’s. Two problems I ran into were bushings for the 32 spring perches. No one makes them so I had to go to the machine shop and get a piece of 3/4” pipe that had a 1/2” inside diameter and drill the center out to 9/16” to allow the Model A shackles to fit. The other problem I had was tie rod ball studs. I did not order any since I thought the Model A tie rod ball studs came off but they do not since they are all one piece. One other thing that is needed is a 1/4” spacer to go between the axle and wishbone since the 32-36 axle is 2” and the Model A wishbone is 2 1/4”. I looked all over to find theses spacers and ended up finding them at Fastenal. They had to be ordered and were called a extra heavy fender washer that was 1/4” x 1 1/2”. The center hole was 1/4 but a 11/16 drill bit took care of drilling them out to allow them to work for what I needed. The end result with the new axle brought the front end down another 1 3/4” for a total drop with everything of right at 4” inches lower from stock. With 600x16’s in the front and 700x16’s in the back it puts the look right where I want it which is a late 40’s to early 50’s style look. I did some measuring and right at the center of the wheel to the bottom lower lip of the fender comes to be 27 1/2" and right in the center of the front radiator apron I have 7 1/2". Here’s a few pictures I took this afternoon. If anyone has any questions let me know. Thanks. |
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Fantastic. Looks great, the stance is spot on.
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That looks just right ,fantastic information ,My eldest son has just purchased a nice stock 28 coupe with 16 inch wires and wants to get it sitting like yours ,it arrives next week ,so will have to start collecting the parts ,what did you do at the rear spring ?
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Nothing has been done to the rear. The only thing I'm waiting on now is the ball studs from Mac's so I can put my tie rod back on. After that I'm putting my bumpers back on and driving it.
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Lookin' good man! I do love how these babies look lowered.
I just went through my front brakes for some more adjusting and fine tuning again today and also made sure that everything was nice and tight. The modifications are still holding up really well. Keep us updated on your coupe progress!! Elrod
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looks great . i did mine with reversed eye springs & took some leaves out . same out come ............. steve
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It looks just right. Let us know how it handles.
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Looks just right. Now I am thinking of doing mine that way.
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You must have used a 32-34 front axle, the 35 & later had the perch bolts farther apart because they used a spring that was ahead of the axle. The rear of your coupe looks good as-is. I used a Model T spring on the rear of my pickup to lower it. T springs are narrower and shorter but by stretching them you get a flatter spring, and a lower car.
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All that work paid off. Your car looks just GREAT !! MIKE |
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Was there any caster change? Dudley |
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looks good leroy. i posted this picture on the hamb i think but here it is again. its all the parts that we discussed and it turned out great, just like yours. Now did you hook up your shocks yet? i have mine sitting on the shelf and didnt know if the dog bones were going to work(end links or what have you)also i put a t spring with one leaf removed on the back of my car and it dropped about 2.5-3 inchestk
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i guess my only concern now is the shock arm hitting the fender when the suspension goes through its traveltk
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525 16 front 25.2 dia800-18 rear 34 diatk
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I went out and took some measurements. With the shocks in the natural resting position they are about 5/8" to 3/4" away from the fenders. It looks to me like the shock arms would be going down when in motion and if that is the case there is plenty of room since they get further away from the fenders as they go down.
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Thanks for sharing. I will pass along the info to a freind who is not yeat a part of Fordbarn past or preasant dispite having a computer and an A. Rod
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WoW. Your car sure looks neat. I've got 16 inch wheels on mine, Lowering it would sure improve the appearance. You've just about got me convinced. you did a great job.
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Once I get my tie rod back on I'll take some speed bumps and ruff roads to see if there is any rub on the fenders with the shocks and post my results. |
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I wanted to do the same thing with my roadster. What I finally did was I got in touch with the guys from Eaton Spring Co. and told them what I wanted to do and asked if they could help. What they came up with was a new spring with three less leaves, the same tension of the stock Model A spring, and a three inch drop. It fit great and the car sits "right", I'm really pleased. It may not be the way they had to do it in the old days, but it worked for me.
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May i ask WHY would you do that to a Model A???? Doesn't seem like a Model A then??
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Also being a younger guy, I'm 33 by the way. I'm more into driving the car anywhere and having it ride and look good at the same time more so then trying to match each and everything on the car when it left the factory. Everything I have done to the car is easy to undo since it's all bolt on. All of the parts I took off will be sitting in the garage. Different strokes for different folks as they say. |
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msmaron, i too am a younger guy(31) and everything i have done can be easily switched to stock by removing a few cotter pins and bolts. This is just an expression of what i want done to my car, not what i do to all the cars we work on.i'll show it to you at park on park in mundelion this week.tk
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That's perfect! Just what I'm needing to do to my 31 pickup. Thanks for the info.
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what is it with young guys and 32 axles on model A's im 17 my roadster in the works
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Your cars look good lowered. I did the same thing, can be converted back to stock very easily. I have been suprised by the purists reactions to it, they all have liked it. Here is mine....
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19 here yep its got a 32 axle
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One update.
I got the tie rod ball studs in the mail from Mac's last week and went to put them on over the weekend. Well for the life of me I couldn't get the nut to go up far enough to allow the carter pin to go in. I got a longer pull bar but still no luck. My next step was a piece of pipe over the pull bar. After tightening and tightening I broke the tie rod ball stud off and was still to far away to get to carter pin to go in. Luckily my dad had a fork to knock out the tie rod ball stud without any damage done to the spindle. What I ended up doing with the other side was to notch the castle nut with a hacksaw blade and only use half a carter pin. I called Mac's back and ordered another tie rod ball stud and asked were the tie rod ball studs and nuts made in the USA and they said they were. Lesson learned, don't use long pieces of pipe on a pull bar to try and tighten nuts to allow a carter pin to go in and also new things break to. |
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mine have a special real short nut
i lost one of them and had to machine the back off of another castle nut to match the others tk
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Smart boy that Edsel. Henry should've listened to him.
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I would like to know
1: can you use model a perch pins in a 32-36 front axle 2: can use use model a spindles and king pins in a 32-36 front axle? 3:how can you lower a model a rear spring at home besides removing leafs?? 4: what year model t rear springs are you guys using? And what years fit On a model a rear end? Thank you |
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Wow! It really looks nice. I like the wheels.
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Thought I was on the HAMB here...whoops !
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I think it looks great!
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Why did you want to lower it ? Were you not satisfied with an original looking Model A ? Wayne
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The steering arms mount to the top of the Model A spindles and are on
the bottom of the 32 spindles so you need to check for tie rod interference with the wishbone and frame and see what works best for you. Bob |
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You can use the A spindles by cutting the balls off and welding in new ones from the other side.Or drill and tapered ream. Weld in and bolt in balls are available from most suppliers.
The tapered bolt in ones are 32 so the Model A parts guys mightn't have them. You can get them from Mac's. Last edited by Manager; 09-22-2016 at 07:24 PM. |
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32-34 axle, 32-34 spindles, Model A King Pins, 32-34 spring perches, Model A brake actuators, 32-34 Brakes. Works great.
I don't know what to use if you use Model A brakes. The 32-34 King pins are at the wrong angle as are the actuators. I just did this swap and getting ready to do another one. You also need to make up a 5/8 spacer to put under the leaf spring if you run a reverse eye front spring with less leaves, I used the one from Speedway. And yes you can use the Model A spring perches if you use hydraulic brakes. Mechanicals need the 32-34 |
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Thanks for the info, I have an extra steering arm i might attempt to heat and bend. Possibly shorten it if needed to keep the original drag link length for lock to lock steering. If I find a way that works I will post picks. I'm running a 2 1/4" drop A axle, modified A perches, A kingpins, A spindles, original front A spring and A mechanical brakes and modern tube shocks.
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Just to confuse a little more. Here is my "A" dropped axle with stock spindles and mech. brakes and stock spring perches. I had to flip the balls so to speak to clear steering rod between wheels.
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Thanks for the info and pics zzlegend. That is exactly what I was thinking I would have to do. It helps to see what needs to happen. Also, did you use a shortened tie rod as your drag link to get the correct angles from the pitman arm?
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Yes. Made an adjustable one and also installed a new short pitmen arm from Bert's model a. Hope this helps.
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My '29 cabriolet has the original front axle dropped 2-1/2", a reversed eye front spring, and revered eye rear spring. ...a few other changes, but still running a touring built Model A motor.
Purchased new in November 1929 by my father. Original color was Andalusite Blue, now with a little of the black pigment pulled out of the old PPG formula. I have not previously posted a full shot of the car, but since others have posted pics of their modified, lowered A's and this is not a street rod, I guess it is OK in this instance. |
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Great looking Cab! It's more than Okay!
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ZZlegend What shocks are those?
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Are these the ones that just bolt on? Do you have a specific year?
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Yes Tiny. These have the same identical bolt pattern as a stock "A" has. And these usually go by the name "Armstrong" which is stamped on them. I just had to rebend the arms a little and welded on the shock balls. If I recall right, MGA's will also work but the bolt pattern is about 1/4" narrower. So redrilling is required. As for year,,,,,,,,,,,,Not sure exactly. I have another set like this and traded a narrower set to a friend. He drilled and mounted and is using them now.
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Great thread. I am in the planning and parts collecting stages of doing a 20-25 T roadster on an A chassis and plan to lower this way but have a question about my combo. I plan to use the A wishbone with a 32-36 axle, 32-34 perches, 32-34 spindles, 1932 brakes. I have a couple sets of 32 actuators and just bought 32-34 king pin set. Can this work together? Basically I thought I could hook onto the 32 actuators with the A rods since everything ahead of the rod is 32-34 I figured it will work together but wanted to check. Thanks fellas. PS, hoping to find a decent B motor to mount in front of my 32 trans with Zephyr gears.
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U might want to go over to the HAMB to ask these questions.................
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Hi Paul,
Thanks for the reply. I thought this question fit right in with the thread. I am collecting and using all original Ford parts. Granted, I am not restoring to the way it came from the factory but I didnt think this was strictly a restorers site. Besides, most of you guys are really in tune with the early Ford parts. Scott |
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I think you may have a problem with the 32 king pins and actuators as the 32 brake rods go to the center of the car where as the Model A rods run along the frame. If you mount up the 32 parts it looks like the brake rods will hit the spring perch if they
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Thanks Bob. I am in the garage now playing around with this set up and I think youre right. So if I get model A actuators and kingpins I should still be able to run the 32 front brakes though right?
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Scott, you can use what you have just swap the king pins and I believe the actuators to the oppsite side. The actuators will need the arm removed and inverted so that when connected to the brake rod they work properly. To understand this the actuator needs to push the brake pin down when the actuator arm is pulled back. The kin pins need moved to the oppsite side so the actuators line up ok. I did this on my roadster years ago.
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Like to join in with another question: What is the reason for use the 32 spindles and spring perches? As far as I know they are the same until the spring moves forward the axle. Guess in 1935? In other words: is the entire 32-34 suitable to lower a 31 model A and a simple bolt on? Same for 35/36 axles with 32-34 spring perches?
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I'm putting this setup together for my 30 roadster. 1934 axle, 1932 perch pins, 1932 spindles, 1931 king pins, 1931 actuator, 1931 brakes. Only mocked up right now but everything looks ok.
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This helps out a lot zzlegend! Now I just need to set the engine in the frame and get ride height to make the accurate bends and setup my split wishbones!
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Trying to fit my 32 actuators but something seems wrong. Can someone look at pics and help me to understand why this isnt working. My actuators seem too long. When the actuator is in the king pin ball the threaded hole/boss in actuator is probably half to .750" too far away.
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If both sides are the same something might not be correct. If it is just one side check to see if the perch matches the other side. Might have to heat and adjust the perch mount. I had to do this to mine but the acuators were not as far away from the perch mount as yours.
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One more thing I noticed is there is no lock bolt to position the king pin. Are you sure it is in the right position. And as Tom said if this is for a Model A and not a 32 the acuating arms should be in the upwards position. See my post #73.
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Those are 1932 actuators and the arms go down.
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Thanks for the replies guys. Bob C is correct. These are 1932 actuators and the arm goes down. They are also 1932-34 king pins, which have the 'cup' offset differently than A and have the lock groove in a different orientation than the A parts. I have model A king pins and Model A actuators which fit and work as intended but the '32 actuators that I have are much nicer condition than the A actuators which is why I wanted to try and use the 1932 parts. I am going to give it another go maybe tonight. I left the king pin lock bolt out so that I could rotate the kingpin after I had the actuator installed in the cup.
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[QUOTE=Scott F.;1431939]Thanks for the replies guys. Bob C is correct. These are 1932 actuators and the arm goes down. They are also 1932-34 king pins, which have the 'cup' offset differently than A and have the lock groove in a different orientation than the A parts. I have model A king pins and Model A actuators which fit and work as intended but the '32 actuators that I have are much nicer condition than the A actuators which is why I wanted to try and use the 1932 parts. I am going to give it another go maybe tonight. I left the king pin lock bolt out so that I could rotate the kingpin after I had the actuator installed in the cup.
You are making this way too hard. Nice model a actuators are easy to come by and fit without the fuss. Well, maybe a little fuss, the bolt length on the model a actuator isn't long enuff to get a washer behind the nut, so you really need to grind a little off the sides of the perch pin boss. |
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First of all, I want to thank LeroyM for this thread. It was instrumental in the dropping of my '29 Tudor.
I wanted to do a late 30's/early 40's style "banger build" with my '29 Tudor. The idea being that I would use what would have been available in that era and still maintain the mechanical brakes. Whether someone was doing dropped axles, back then, I have no idea. I have been unable to find any info on it if there was. So here's what I did... I was able to find and purchase a n.o.s. 1935 front axle, out of Minnesota. I found a nice pair of '32 front spindles as well as a new pair of '32 front spring perches. I then bought a new set of Model A king pins and spring shackles. I was able to find a trailer parts store in Missouri that sold the proper size spring bushings, 9/16 i.d. x 3/4" o.d. x 1 3/4" long. I reused my Model A brake actuators, backing plates and brakes. I had already installed a reverse eye main leaf and removed #2, #3 & #4 leaf's when I put on the 6:00x16's Firestone bia's ply tires but like LeroyM, I wanted it lower. So, there it is! I love the stance and it rides and handles great. Thanks again, LeroyM, for all the information. |
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Looks good. I like it.
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I received my front axle. Now the gather the rest of the stuff to do this.
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Here's a before and after using the Old Yankee Speed Co "Hot Rod" spring and their main leaf reverse eye leaf on a stock front spring.
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I'm curious about caster? Some hot rodders and Model A owners are putting a 2" block under their bell housing to increase caster and this makes for very steady driving on motorways etc., However, if you lower the front of the car to improve its stance, then it will have the effect of reducing the caster, this in turn should affect the cars directional stability? Anybody had this experience? |
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Just in the process of gathering parts as well to lower my 29 rpu. Thanks for the posters comments.
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My '32-'36 axle and wishbone are at the powder coaters now. New spring Perches from Snyder's. I have the 1/4" thick fender washers to take up the slack between the axle and wishbone. Gonna have to buy an 11/16" drill bit to finish them. Next I will order my new spring from Posies Super Slider springs for front and rear. While waiting for the springs my backing plates will go to the powder coater. Spindles and brake drums will get a bath in Parkerizing juice. Its getting close.
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Have Snyders begun selling '32 perches?
Can you take pictures, as you start on this?
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I am using "A" perches.
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Just let air out of the tires. Easy Peasy.
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I'd like to see you drive your car with four flat tires.
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Well...It could be done.
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I just called Posies. They don't offer reversed eye springs. They make a totally new spring which will sit your car at the height you want it.
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Those are only 1/16" thick. Nominal Thickness 0.062"
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Bib,
How do you figure that a washer that measures 1/4" x 1.5" are only 1/16th thick?
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There's someone on the thread below looking for suggestions on what to use for an inexpensive modern 16 inch tire.
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Read the specs.
Product Attributes Inner Diameter 0.281" Outer Diameter 1.500" Grade 18-8 Finish Plain Bolt Size 1/4" Material Stainless Steel Type Fender Washer System of Measurement Imperial (Inch) Nominal Thickness 0.062" Product Weight 0.0285 |
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Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/nominal-dimension.html"
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If you read the entire list of specs you'll see the 1/4" refers to the "nominal" hole/bolt size (not thickness) as 1/4"
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As you can see the washer is 1/4" thick. 1.5" across. Has a 1/4" hole in the center. To be used as a spacer the 1/4" hole must be enlarged to 11/16"
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OK, I don't know what to say. The first link is to the part number you gave and
the second link is to the specs for the stainless washers. Glad they are what you wanted. https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0172787?fsi=1 https://www.fastenal.com/content/pro...FEND.SS.00.pdf These are the ones I got. https://www.grainger.com/product/5TA...rders_WillCall Bob |
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McMaster Carr has the correct size washers. Center hole, outside diameter and thickness.
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They sell washers that already have the 11/16" center hole?
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I am still in the process of gathering parts for this. I have the '32-'36 front axle, '46 spindles and brakes. Now is the time for gathering hardware. Specifically the King Pins and Kit. Which should I use?
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Yes, McMaster Carr has the correct ones I.D. is 11/16
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My car already has the '46-'48 juice brakes and spindles on the "A" axle. I will just be changing out the A for the '32-'36. The steering has already been adapted. I am using Armstrong shocks.
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OK, makes sense now. Also I meant to say: "The 46 spindles will bolt onto the '32-'36 axle using the 46 kingpins and the bearing placed on the bottom as it was originally for '46."
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Are you still running mechanical brakes? Do you notice a difference after lowering?
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