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Slotblog · 01-13-2016, 04:13 PM

Place me in the synthetic camp, Mobil 1 for all my vehicles for, oh, 35 years. My experience and research leads me to the opinion that good synthetics cut engine wear by roughly a factor of ten. I even use Mobil 1 in my lawnmower...

The research referred to involved oil analysis at short intervals (on a modern car admittedly) to look at the levels of wear metals present in the oil. This was a crowd-funded independent project tragically cut short by the death of the project instigator in a car crash.

If you ever get the chance, compare the internals of a torn-down engine run on syn and one run on 'dino" oil. It's an eye-opener.

All that being said, I'm not brave enough to put syn oil in my A, as it hasn't been rebuilt in at least half a century. If I ever have it rebuilt to modern standards, with insert bearings and modern seals, it'll be run on synthetic for sure.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 01-13-2016, 07:01 PM

[QUOTE=mhsprecher;1222890]Pat Goss, who appears on PBS Motor Week, lives near me and had a weekly call in show on the radio here that I listened to regularly. While he typically dealt with modern cars, he swears by synthetics and says that they provide more protection in stress situations and do not break down like regular petroleum oils do. He essentially said the same thing that SAJ wrote above and he made a good argument I use Mobil 1 in my modern vehicles with excellent results and both of my Model As. Maybe overkill, but engine rebuilds are expensive and good oil cheap insurance. I usually get my Mobil 1 at Costco, which saves a bit.[/QUOTE
On national TV, Pat Goss once said, "THE MAIN ADVANTAGE TO HAVING DUAL OVERHEAD CAMS, IS THAT THEY ONLY TURN 1/2 AS FAST AS A SINGLE CAM"!
Point is: Don't believe everything you hear, even frum "EXPURTS"
Bill W.

1929 · 01-13-2016, 07:46 PM

the rebuilder told me to use 15w 40 with a bottle of the ZDDPlus

Mitch//pa · 01-13-2016, 07:52 PM

I can only comment on royal purple in a racing application. We have found that
it would break down with race fuel and become super diluted. Would I use it in my A hell no but I do use Mobil 1 ..15/50 and rotella 15/40 in A's.. I have never used a zinc additive as both products contain it in enough levels

Larry Jenkins · 01-13-2016, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

I can only comment on royal purple in a racing application. We have found that
it would break down with race fuel and become super diluted. Would I use it in my A hell no but I do use Mobil 1 ..15/50 and rotella 15/40 in A's.. I have never used a zinc additive as both products contain it in enough levels

Mitch.. Is the quantity of zinc the same in the Rotella and the Mobil 1? Do you agree the A engine needs some zinc?

No bridge images!!

Mitch//pa · 01-13-2016, 09:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Jenkins

Mitch.. Is the quantity of zinc the same in the Rotella and the Mobil 1? Do you agree the A engine needs some zinc?

No bridge images!!

15W-40 Rotella T with Triple Protection oil has approximately 1200 ppm of zinc and 1100 ppm phosphorus

Mobil 1 15/50. Has 1300 zinc and 1200 phosphorus

Zinc is important for any flat tappet engine..

tbirdtbird · 01-13-2016, 09:52 PM

all of these posts have an oddly familiar ring to them

40 Deluxe · 01-13-2016, 09:57 PM

[QUOTE=BILL WILLIAMSON;1223336]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhsprecher

Pat Goss, who appears on PBS Motor Week, .[/QUOTE
On national TV, Pat Goss once said, "THE MAIN ADVANTAGE TO HAVING DUAL OVERHEAD CAMS, IS THAT THEY ONLY TURN 1/2 AS FAST AS A SINGLE CAM"!
Point is: Don't believe everything you hear, even frum "EXPURTS"
Bill W.

Good one, Bill. This Goss guy must have been trained by "Click and Clack the Tappet Brothers"! They used to come up with some real zingers!
By the way, an "Ex" is a has-been, and a "Spurt" is a drip under pressure!

Mitch//pa · 01-13-2016, 09:57 PM

Don't use full synthetic till your rings are seated on a new rebuild

Larry Jenkins · 01-14-2016, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

Don't use full synthetic till your rings are seated on a new rebuild

Would be very interested in hearing the reason why.. Of course you knew this question would come up.. I like your "teasers!"

Randy in ca · 01-14-2016, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

Don't use full synthetic till your rings are seated on a new rebuild

I'm curious as to why also. A new 350 GM crate engine I recently purchased stated that also.

john in illinois · 01-14-2016, 08:33 AM

I use Mobil 1 in my model A. I am going to use this in my bored and stroked flathead. vr1_racing.pdf

Use whatever makes you comfortable I agree they all are good.

John

bambooboy · 01-14-2016, 07:38 PM

our local radio mechanic has been promoting syns for over 20 years in new or fairly new engines after first change.also claims 6,000 between changes.with crude oil down near $30.00 a barrel,i wonder if our motor oil will come down in price in the future? tom

BILL WILLIAMSON · 01-14-2016, 07:42 PM

DO WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW THIS MUCH ABOUT MOTOR OILS???? I'm DROWNING----------in FACTS.
Bill W.

Tom Wesenberg · 01-14-2016, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Jenkins

Would be very interested in hearing the reason why.. Of course you knew this question would come up.. I like your "teasers!"

Regular oil allows the rings to seat, where Mobil 1 may not. It must be too good and slippery to allow new rings to seat.

Mitch//pa · 01-14-2016, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

DO WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW THIS MUCH ABOUT MOTOR OILS???? I'm DROWNING----------in FACTS.
Bill W.

Yo DAD lube is your friend

SA sooonooout

Mitch//pa · 01-14-2016, 08:08 PM

I think it has a lot to do with the quallity of the hone job... Many factory brand new motors come with synthetic and are not run in before delivery... Most rebuilt motors are told to use reg oil first for break in.....
Any more thoughts on this

Larry Jenkins · 01-14-2016, 08:39 PM

Before we put this fiasco to bed.. One more thing.

I emailed Mobil about their 10 W 30 syn for Model A engines and am waiting to see what they tell me. Bet it will be a gem of double talk..

Will post results.. If they even respond..

Mitch//pa · 01-14-2016, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Jenkins

Before we put this fiasco to bed.. One more thing.

I emailed Mobil about their 10 W 30 syn for Model A engines and am waiting to see what they tell me. Bet it will be a gem of double talk..

Will post results.. If they even respond..

Larry look at this page which has some good info incld zinc levels... Compare the 10w30 to the 15w50
https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us...pecs-guide.pdf

Larry Jenkins · 01-14-2016, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

Larry look at this page which has some good info incld zinc levels... Compare the 10w30 to the 15w50
https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us...pecs-guide.pdf

I emailed them just to see what kind.. if any.. response I would get from a specific Model A engine standpoint.

I did read that Molbil 1 does contain Zinc. Thanks, Mitch..

01-13-2016, 04:13 PM	#21
Slotblog Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Norcross, GA Posts: 243	Re: More about engine oils.. Place me in the synthetic camp, Mobil 1 for all my vehicles for, oh, 35 years. My experience and research leads me to the opinion that good synthetics cut engine wear by roughly a factor of ten. I even use Mobil 1 in my lawnmower... The research referred to involved oil analysis at short intervals (on a modern car admittedly) to look at the levels of wear metals present in the oil. This was a crowd-funded independent project tragically cut short by the death of the project instigator in a car crash. If you ever get the chance, compare the internals of a torn-down engine run on syn and one run on 'dino" oil. It's an eye-opener. All that being said, I'm not brave enough to put syn oil in my A, as it hasn't been rebuilt in at least half a century. If I ever have it rebuilt to modern standards, with insert bearings and modern seals, it'll be run on synthetic for sure. __________________ Gregory Wells

01-13-2016, 07:01 PM	#22
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: More about engine oils.. [QUOTE=mhsprecher;1222890]Pat Goss, who appears on PBS Motor Week, lives near me and had a weekly call in show on the radio here that I listened to regularly. While he typically dealt with modern cars, he swears by synthetics and says that they provide more protection in stress situations and do not break down like regular petroleum oils do. He essentially said the same thing that SAJ wrote above and he made a good argument I use Mobil 1 in my modern vehicles with excellent results and both of my Model As. Maybe overkill, but engine rebuilds are expensive and good oil cheap insurance. I usually get my Mobil 1 at Costco, which saves a bit.[/QUOTE On national TV, Pat Goss once said, "THE MAIN ADVANTAGE TO HAVING DUAL OVERHEAD CAMS, IS THAT THEY ONLY TURN 1/2 AS FAST AS A SINGLE CAM"! Point is: Don't believe everything you hear, even frum "EXPURTS" Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

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1929 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: New York Posts: 944	Re: More about engine oils.. the rebuilder told me to use 15w 40 with a bottle of the ZDDPlus

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Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: More about engine oils.. Don't use full synthetic till your rings are seated on a new rebuild

01-14-2016, 08:33 AM	#32
john in illinois Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,220	Re: More about engine oils.. I use Mobil 1 in my model A. I am going to use this in my bored and stroked flathead. vr1_racing.pdf Use whatever makes you comfortable I agree they all are good. John

01-14-2016, 07:38 PM	#33
bambooboy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: joppa maryland Posts: 209	Re: More about engine oils.. our local radio mechanic has been promoting syns for over 20 years in new or fairly new engines after first change.also claims 6,000 between changes.with crude oil down near $30.00 a barrel,i wonder if our motor oil will come down in price in the future? tom

01-14-2016, 07:42 PM	#34
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: More about engine oils.. DO WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW THIS MUCH ABOUT MOTOR OILS???? I'm DROWNING----------in FACTS. Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

01-14-2016, 08:08 PM	#37
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: More about engine oils.. I think it has a lot to do with the quallity of the hone job... Many factory brand new motors come with synthetic and are not run in before delivery... Most rebuilt motors are told to use reg oil first for break in..... Any more thoughts on this

01-14-2016, 08:39 PM	#38
Larry Jenkins BANNED Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: East Central Iowa Posts: 1,275	Re: More about engine oils.. Before we put this fiasco to bed.. One more thing. I emailed Mobil about their 10 W 30 syn for Model A engines and am waiting to see what they tell me. Bet it will be a gem of double talk.. Will post results.. If they even respond.. __________________ Good enough.. Isn't.