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04-07-2024, 10:01 AM | #1 |
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Differential Pinion Gear Bearing Preload
nkaminar in Post #3 is correct, the torques in the following service bulletins are the torques necessary to turn the pinion resulting from tightening the jam nuts. In other words, you tighten the jam nuts until the torque to turn the pinion is reached.
While researching the 1932 - 1937 Ford Service Bulletins, I stumbled upon information regarding the tightening torque for the Model "A's" pinion bearing:
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Re: Differential Pinion Gear Bearing Preload
Isn't the nut tightened to provide a certain torque to turn the drive shaft? I think that is the 15 to 20 inch-pounds referred to above, not the torque on the nut or jam nut.
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Re: Differential Pinion Gear Bearing Preload
Interesting that this info should come up, as I'm in the middle of rebuilding my differential. I ended up with the pinion bearing preload at 17-18 in-lb as measured with a precision milk jug partially full of water hanging 8-1/2" off a breaker bar.
Supposedly the pinion bearing carrier is thinner where the second (forward) bearing rides, to allow for adjustment of the preload. It may be, but mine was still stiff getting that old bearing off and the new one on. The 17 in-lb was all I could get out of it even with "encouraging" the forward bearing rearwards. Seeing the info that Bob B posted, I'm happy with it. FWIW, I had to shim the pinion gear rearwards 0.020" (put four 0.005" shims between the bearing and the pinion) to get proper ring gear engagement. I think NK is correct - the nut to connect the pinion carrier to the driveshaft (taper with key) is nominal 100 ft-lbs.
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It is not clear to me where the in-lbs of torque you are quoting are to be applied. If there are some drawings in the Bulletins that show this, it may help. Thanks!
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Re: Differential Pinion Gear Bearing Preload
When I first started rebuilding Model A differentials back in 1988, I researched all the literature I could find in the Model A kingdom. Information written in the day by old Model A guys recommended setting the pre-load for both the carrier bearings and pinion bearings at 20-inch pounds read off a dial indicator. My experience has taught me that there is an acceptable window. I accept anything between 14- and 22-inch pounds. I have done hundreds this way.
Most garage mechanics do not understand pre-load and they put them together too tight. I have taken hundreds apart and found the results of that. Usually, it just spins the bearings on the carrier hubs. On two occasions I found the hub sheared off. Henry's 40 horses will always break loose over tight bearings. If you cannot turn the bearings with your fingers, you got them too tight. http://www.santaanitaas.org/wp-conte...r-Apr-2003.pdf Tom Endy |
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Personally I set the pinion a little less if the bearings are not new. The bearings and races wear into each other and will loosen up some. existing bearings are already seated.
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The bearings are slightly apart and if you add an overhung load such as the drive shaft, you are putting the bearings in a bind. The reading will not be accurate. It is best to have the drive shaft vertical and measure the torque with a beam style torque Wrench.
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Like one of these guys.
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KR Wilson made one too. They’re moderately easy to find.
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I made a tool from and old damaged drive shaft. I cut it down and welded a nut on the end. It is about 50mm, 2", longer than the pinion and still has the key fitted. I can loosely slide it into the pinion and turn with a torque wrench to check for pre-load.
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I really like the cute torque wrench that is shown in the illustrations that Bob added in Post #1.
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About how much change. Is it small enough, that if I keep the load at the bottom side if the tolerance, the change won't raise it to outside the upper end of the tolerance? I might have to make a C spanner adaptor and do a pre and post driveshaft fitment load check.
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