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BNewman 11-07-2015 04:02 PM

Model A Engine Installation
 

Advice Needed !!

I have both the engine and transmission out of my '31 Victoria.
My question is what is the better way for installation:
1. Engine and transmission as a unit?
2. Transmission & bell housing first, then engine with clutch and clutch housing attached.

Thanks,
Bob

Gary WA 11-07-2015 04:14 PM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by BNewman (Post 1185567)
Advice Needed !!

I have both the engine and transmission out of my '31 Victoria.
My question is what is the better way for installation:
1. Engine and transmission as a unit?
2. Transmission & flywheel housing first, then engine?

Thanks,
Bob

tranny,housing then engine is my preference

CarlG 11-07-2015 04:25 PM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary WA (Post 1185572)
tranny,housing then engine is my preference

Shouldn't the flywheel housing be attached to the engine and installed as a unit?

Mitch//pa 11-07-2015 04:28 PM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlG (Post 1185575)
Shouldn't the flywheel housing be attached to the engine and installed as a unit?

yep

Mitch//pa 11-07-2015 04:33 PM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

here is a former post on the topic
https://fordbarn.com/forum/showthread...engine+install

Fred K-OR 11-07-2015 04:35 PM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

I think you will get a number of comments both ways. But I would do your #1 option assuming you have the tools to do it that way and some help in doing it.

Synchro909 11-07-2015 05:22 PM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

If you put the engine and transmission in as a unit, you have to get the torque tube shaft lined up with the universal joint for them to go together. DON"T be tempted to use your fingers to do it. When they slip together, you could lose them.:eek:

Tom Wesenberg 11-07-2015 08:27 PM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

I prefer to install the tranny, then the engine.

Larry Jenkins 11-07-2015 09:12 PM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg (Post 1185707)
I prefer to install the tranny, then the engine.

Tom..

Can you offer some step-by-step details? When you say "engine," does that mean the flywheel, clutch plate and flywheel housing attached?

Can you even attach the tranny before dropping it in? Assembly problems?

Thank you!

Larry

Tom Wesenberg 11-08-2015 03:21 AM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Jenkins (Post 1185727)
Tom..

Can you offer some step-by-step details? When you say "engine," does that mean the flywheel, clutch plate and flywheel housing attached?

Can you even attach the tranny before dropping it in? Assembly problems?

Thank you!

Larry

Yes, the flywheel and flywheel housing must be installed if the engine is installed after the tranny. Be sure to set the fingers on the pressure plate while it's out, and use a clutch alignment tool to make sure the disc is centered. If the alignment tool wasn't available I've used my fingers to center the disc by going around the outer edge, and this has also worked fine for me.

Mitch//pa 11-08-2015 06:51 AM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

if the body is off i install them as a unit. otherwise trans first

Larry Jenkins 11-08-2015 10:50 AM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa (Post 1185826)
if the body is off i install them as a unit. otherwise trans first

Body is off; frame is bare except the motor mounts.

If so, can I drop in the whole engine with the tranny on it? Clearances; assembly problems?

Thank you Sir!

Larry

Fred K-OR 11-08-2015 11:19 AM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Jenkins (Post 1185926)
Body is off; frame is bare except the motor mounts.

If so, can I drop in the whole engine with the tranny on it? Clearances; assembly problems?

Thank you Sir!

Larry

This is how I did it on my huckster and it worked great. But like mentioned, look out for your fingers when putting in the u-joint.

larrys40 11-08-2015 11:28 AM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa (Post 1185826)
if the body is off i install them as a unit. otherwise trans first

I agree with Mitch . It is easier to get the engine in the mounts and splines line up on the clutch than it is to deal with the floppiness of the u-joint to get it in the mounts and splines if the driveshaft at the exact same time

I have done both ways and can be done either way, but for a novice I would opt to do them separately

Get a helper or two to assist you as well
Also, as Tom noted its the time to make sure the pressure plate is set up properly . See specs and procedures in les Andrews mechanical book
Larry Shepard

BNewman 11-08-2015 12:07 PM

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Thanks

BNewman 11-08-2015 12:08 PM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

Good call. Thanks.

Mitch//pa 11-08-2015 04:52 PM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Jenkins (Post 1185926)
Body is off; frame is bare except the motor mounts.

If so, can I drop in the whole engine with the tranny on it? Clearances; assembly problems?

Thank you Sir!

Larry

thats the way i would do it with the body off. one thing to look out for is the u-joint housing gaskets dont slide out of place. put a couple temporary bolts in the holes while mating things together

harleytoprock 11-08-2015 07:19 PM

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How about with body on and rear diff is out? Can motor/trans assembly be installed as unit with no problems?

George Miller 11-08-2015 08:25 PM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg (Post 1185707)
I prefer to install the tranny, then the engine.

My way also.

glenn in camino 11-08-2015 08:31 PM

Re: Model A Engine Installation
 

I always assemble everything back to. and including, the U joint, and install it all together. Get a friend to help guide it. Also you may need a frame spreader.


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